Sun 2 Oct 2011 | 03:24
Leonardo Ghiraldini in trouble after making contact with Cian Healy's eyes

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In what was a great first half battle between Ireland and Italy, the physical aspect crossed the line a little twenty minutes in, as Italian hooker Leonardo Ghiraldini placed his fingers over the eyes of prop forward Cian Healy.

Healy was clearly incensed as he lashed out at Ghialdini, creating a situation that was tricky to manage for referee Jonathan Kaplan. As you can see, he stopped the game and had a word with captain Brian O'Driscoll, stating that he didnt see anything and Healy shouldn't have lashed out.

"How is he supposed to react?" said Paul O'Connell to Kaplan, who obviously acknowledged the severity of the incident. In many ways you could see that Healy, despite lashing out initially, was actually fairly controlled, all things considered. 

You can hear a slight hint of sympathy from commentator Alan Quinlan, who himself missed out on the British & Irish Lions tour because of an eyegouging ban, but there's no doubt the hooker was in the wrong.

In a time when any sort of contact with the eyes is highly frowned upon, you can be sure that Ghiraldini will be sticking around in New Zealand for some time longer, specifically to face a discplinary hearing and subsequent heavy ban. He hasn't been cited yet however.

What are your thoughts on the incident, and the length of the ban he will no doubt receive?

24 Comments

  • redyeti
    5:55 PM 04/10/2011

    That was meant for the Facebook post, whoops

  • redyeti
    5:54 PM 04/10/2011

    If anybody had actually read the press releases from the citing commission, you'd know that they wanted to extend the sentence for Ghiraldini, to set a sterner deterrent for future-gougers, as the past punishments clearly aren't working (players are still gouging with the same consistency as before). Ghiraldini's ban was actually lowered from 24 weeks to 15 in the end, because of his previously good disciplinary record.

  • brookmcg
    4:15 PM 04/10/2011

    Well he is captain of Munster and if not BOD it is him that does the talking, and he was only backing up his mate that could of lost an eye, he was right there after all.

    Knowing that he is not a dirty player will come to his aid this time around but will haunt him forever as the world is watching and now his name is sin-ominous with dirty play.

  • cmon84
    11:55 AM 04/10/2011

    Ghiraldini got 15 weeks: http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/home/news/newsid=2057297.html#leonardo+ghiraldini+banned+weeks

  • 4:47 AM 04/10/2011

    Caps.....

  • 4:44 AM 04/10/2011

    Healy has probably been the best front row of the WC (not many are awarded MOM awards as he was v Aus) and from the evidence of this game where he was clearly targeted all game, has lost his hot headedness. He was in the thick of it and bar this counter action kept his composure. Wasn't a fan of him up until the last few months but he's looking at 100+ cpas at this stage.

    On the Bowe non try, while I missed Kaplan's question to the TMO, it doesn't matter if foul was outside the in goal area, if it was in the act of scoring, then its obstruction. The act of scoring does often take place outside the try line. In fact, Bowe was on the other end of this in Nov 08 against NZ, when he tapped the ball out of McCaw's way going over the try line. Bowe was yellow carded and a Pen try was given to NZ.

  • eggman
    3:24 PM 03/10/2011

    @Kiwi in Aus
    I agree that it was a forward pass. However, the boss of the IRB came out after the game and ciriticized the TMO for giving the ref the information on the forward pass, so he got critized for doing, what in my opinion was, the right thing.
    The reason I brought this incident up was to explain a possible confusion the video ref in the Italy-Ireland game had as to whether or no he was allowed to inform the ref on what happenend. He must have thought that the infringement happenend before the in-goal area, and that he was thus not allowed to comment on it. I'm sure he remembered the rebuke the SA TMO received after his call and thought he'd rather not go there too...

    While I agree with you that he should've said something, I'm just trying to point out a possible reason why the referee didnt.

  • kiwiinaus
    2:44 PM 03/10/2011

    Eggman you are comparing 2 totally different situations. Firstly what the video ref did in that SA vs NZ game was incorrect in law but totally right in that the try wasn't allowed as it was a forward pass.
    Secondly the can look at footage that happens on or behind the goal line including footage immediately leading up to the scoring of a try/touchdown. As the Italian player grabbed the Irish player as they were going over the goal line it is within the scope of the Video ref and they can rule on it. Shaun Veldsmen didn't and as far as i am concerned he was wrong not to.
    Lastly there is no way that was accidental contact he put his fingers in the eyes of Healy and should get the maximum there is no room for that in any sport let alone Rugby.

  • 2:36 PM 03/10/2011

    I think you're right stroudos, he limited himself to "certainly doesn't look good".
    Ghiraldini's not usually dirty but who cares? What a cunt...in my opinion.

  • raoulduke
    12:55 PM 03/10/2011

    I heard "No try and no foul play". Seemed to me like he was suggesting a 22 drop out but Kaplan didn't seem to believe what he heard/didn't hear him initially.

    Shame for Tommy having all is hard work go unrewarded but good for birthday boy Keith Earls. Also great to see Andrew Trimble making an impact and looking so delighted for the man keeping him off the starting 15.

  • ash
    12:22 PM 03/10/2011

    When we look at precedent by the IRB (not that they ever take heed of it themselves) but in 2008 Neil Best was banned for 18 weeks for what was described by the committee as 'accidental but reckless' contact with the eyes, not specifically an eye 'gouge'.

    The problem with this of course is that Burger got an 8 week ban for doing it deliberately in 2009 and Parisse got 8 weeks as well in same year. Perhaps because Ghiraldini isn't a marquee name like those two the IRB wont be afraid to give him a longer ban (though to be honest I'm still 50/50 as to whether it was deliberate or not) and take the tough stance necessary if they believe it was deliberate. I'd guess as it's not completely clear cut any ban given will be relatively short.

  • eggman
    11:02 AM 03/10/2011

    Considering how the boss of the IRB and every single kiwi reacted to their try being diasalowed vs SA, I'd say no. However, maybe because the obstruction happened behind the tryline the videoref might have been allowed to say something.
    And regarding the suggestion: I had the feeling that he tried to suggest something to the ref. He was really emphasising something, though I can't remember the exact wording. Something about "not groundned, no inteference *behind* the try line"

  • moddeur
    9:12 AM 03/10/2011

    Eye gouging is unacceptable in any circumstance. Ghiraldini is going to get a few months.

    I don't know about the "targeting Cian Healy" bit suggested by @mise above, Cian Healy did seem to set off a few Italians on his own too. Maybe it's true, maybe it's not.

    Bowe's try was rightfully disallowed (did not ground the ball), but the video referee should have somehow called for a penalty try or a yellow card (because of a blatant obstruction). Do TMOs have that kind of power of suggestion?

  • 3:14 AM 03/10/2011

    Paul O'Connell - never does the fact that he isn't the captain keep him from talking to the referee like he is.

    Dunno if it was really an attempt to purposefully gouge. But Healey had every right to unleash some punches on Ghiraldini. Fingers near the eye should set anyone off. And that should settle the matter.

    But if it gets judged to be intentional, then Ghiraldini should expect a lengthy ban. If fingers end up anywhere near someone's face, then be prepared to face the consequences of a gouging allegation.

    Just a question: Ghiraldini isn't known to be a particularly "dirty" player, is he? If not, then that should play into his favor come sentencing.

  • eggman
    1:00 AM 03/10/2011

    I think that call was becaue of the controversy about the forward pass try that was disallowed by the Video Ref in the SA vs NZ game shortly before the World Cup. The Ref was criticised for taking footage into account that, according to the rules, he was not allowed to. I think the video ref was unsure whether or not he was allowed to tell the ref about the tackle. He seemed to emphasise that there was nothing wrong "behind" the try line or something like that.
    Personally I agree that he should've called it out and given the Irish a penalty try, but I am not entierly sure if he was actually allowed to make the call according to the rules, so I wouldnt be too hard on him..

  • mise
    12:08 AM 03/10/2011

    As could be seen from other incidents in the game, the Italians targeted Healy as he's been excellent this tournament. That adds to the evidence against accidental gouging.

  • lnd
    11:55 PM 02/10/2011

    such as his body check on Darcy!

  • guy
    10:44 PM 02/10/2011

    Well, I just hope that this is not going to be looked at by the same person that took the job of TMO in this game (no foul play at Bowe's effort...eehhmmm?????)

  • johndoe
    9:55 PM 02/10/2011

    Also, the Italians played very dirty all match. I rate Parisse very highly, but he was very dirty today. Didn't like how he played.

  • colombes
    9:02 PM 02/10/2011

    Not so sure the eye-gouge was intentional
    but the italians were quite undisciplined durin the whole match with some little cheap shots.
    that said, deserved irish victory, great to see one celt team assured to be in semi's

  • lnd
    8:24 PM 02/10/2011

    One of many cheap shots in the game from the Italians, it's a pity they had to resort to that sort of play, it went on for the whole game. Ireland were very disciplined.

  • reality
    7:29 PM 02/10/2011

    No I don't buy that Rebecca. You can see on the last replay that he had two fingers sticking out and into Healy's eyes, and the rest were closed. If you're holding onto something for leverage you don't do it with just your middle and ring fingers. And anyway, hanging onto someone's face for leverage is obviously just not acceptable. Also, you can see at about 10 seconds in that the arm he had in Healy's face put him quite off-balance, so I really don't think it was about supporting his weight or getting a better hold of Healy.

  • ropeycentre
    6:27 PM 02/10/2011

    6 weeks!

  • stroudos
    6:14 PM 02/10/2011

    Didn't realise that was Alan Quinlan commentating. Awkward, considering his own previous. Presumably that explains the other commentator's comment "often inclined to give benefit of the doubt" - usually they're (correctly) unequivocal that eye-gouging's the most heinous of foul play.

    Not sure on this particular incident though. Doesn't look intentional, but I think the actual offence is any "contact with the eye area", whether you meant to or not, isn't it.