Sat 8 Nov 2014 | 07:34

Test Rugby Results - November 7th and 8th 2014

73 Comments

• drg

  5:13 PM 13/11/2014

  Highly convenient if you ask me......
  
  So when UK papers post articles then all the English are whiners... but when the NZ papers post something it's all in jest and never to be taken seriously?
  
  I'm honestly glad that I know a few NZ'ers and have had the pleasure of visiting the country, because if I had to come up with a view of what NZ'ers were based purely on this thread, nay, this entire website, I'd put you firmly into the 'Hypocritical two faced bunch of c***s' category...
  
  Don't get me wrong, as I said, I know that's not true, but every comment that I perceive to be written by an AB fan or a NZ'er (perhaps they're trolls), are just laughably ridiculous... Reminds me of those 'facts' spewed by North Korea about how their great leader played golf and retired because he got a hole in one with every shot...
• kadova

  12:46 AM 11/11/2014

  Very happy for Ireland and Scoltland. Happy my team woke up during the second half (France-Fidji).
  The score for NZ England is flattering for England. I understand in a way that Kiwi is complaining but moaning like that will give reason for more bashing from stupid "fans".
• kadova

  12:42 AM 11/11/2014

  That's teasing from the newspaper. Do not make the mistake of believing the NZ fans are the same.
• wayneburrows

  10:59 PM 10/11/2014

  The scrum did not collapse, it was not going forward. Hard to know what the infraction was.
• bloblabli

  3:09 PM 10/11/2014

  Ok people everybody need to calm down. It is just a game of rugby no need to go all crazy. I'm a big fan of Owen but i think he did have a poor performance (to both team really). I do not understand all the whining about Cruden's try: The ref is perfectly positioned he clearly saw the ball grounded he doesn't have to go to the TMO (not to mentionned that the cameras angles were pretty poor.) Clearly the all blacks were the better team on this occasion (don't forget the kickers missed 12 easy points) and England were pretty dissapointing. I hope England will change its game plan and actually start playing rugby unstead of kicking possesion away and mauling on every single occasion.
• drg

  2:36 PM 10/11/2014

  ...are you trying to say that NZ fans did not kick up a fuss about these incidents?
• drg

  2:34 PM 10/11/2014

  Had the all blacks got a dose of the shits it could have easily been a blow out in a very different fashion...
  
  If's and But's are never given out other than in the beholders favour.... If NZ played better then they could have won by more, but that is only IF England didn't play better...etc... IF's and BUT's are 2 ways streets... don't IF and BUT your own team without doing the same to the opposition...
• danknapp

  1:22 PM 10/11/2014

  McCaw is easily one of the best players in his position to have ever played the game. Good 7s need to be in there, fighting for the ball on the ground pushing the laws to the limits. The fact that he manages to do it while so skilfully playing the referee is really impressive. He is extremely good at stopping when the referee has had enough, passes it on to his team really clearly, and is generally just a genius at reading the game.
  
  Sadly it does mean that he gets a lot of attention from some players, none of whom should be held up as examples of intelligence. Dylan Hartley got himself sent off in a premiership final for calling the referee a 'fucking cheat'. Andy Powell stole a golf buggy and drove it up the motorway. What else do we need to say?
  
  He will always irritate non-Kiwis because we can't see why the referees don't pick up on it more, but it's just because he's so bloody good at stopping at the right time. Nothing more can be asked of a player. You play up to the edge of the laws and not a centimetre further.
  
  I'm horrified that he got booed by England fans at the game. That's just appalling. The guy is a legend.
  
  The rest of your post, indeed posts (for there are many), are all pretty much drivel.
• 9:04 AM 10/11/2014

  Penalty tries can be given for professional fouls inside the 5mtr line
  
  When SBW was cut down there was no ruck formed and so no offside was possibile
• danknapp

  6:36 AM 10/11/2014

  So glad I read past the nonsense above to get to this comment.
• 1:10 AM 10/11/2014

  Must have missed the obvious offside hands in the ruck then ball thrown by kaino, to be recovered by hore.
• ed018

  10:23 PM 09/11/2014

  If any fan on here (of any nationality) believes that the english are arrogant/whiners etc then I suggest before the next England vs NZ match you check out the articles on the New Zealand herald
  
  I can assure you you won't need to find any more motivation to beat the all blacks after that. One article even criticized England for "stealing' from the pacific islands...
  
  Great game btw!
• desertcolt07

  10:08 PM 09/11/2014

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--6gLotY1ww
• desertcolt07

  10:06 PM 09/11/2014

  england go let off the hook by 1 piece of individual brilliance (May try) and woeful all black goal kicking. it could have easily been a blow-out. i have no real problem with owens reffering, i think coles should have been carded but the professional foul after SBW's break at 65 minute mark should have been either yellow care or penetaly try. the score line flattered the english and the all blacks were easily 15-20 points better.
• mattyj

  9:54 PM 09/11/2014

  The other centre is Brad Barritt, who 'predictably' can only run crash ball and tackle hard (although Savea contradicts that statement when he bumped him off head over heel!), so effectively Tuilagi minus offloading and agility. Yes very predictable. Desperately needs to run better angles into opposition and perhaps a man on the shoulder for a little offload, could release Eastmond.
• 07015678

  9:33 PM 09/11/2014

  Haha, meant euphoric not eutrophic on Ireland's win damn autocorrect.
  
  Yeah DrG I think that is true about this Scottish side also. We've always been like that. As soon as we think we're catching the other home nations they take another step forward and it's another bottom half table 6N season.
  
  Reality, Ireland's defense was indeed solid (through organization and heart that Scotland didn't have) but I'd have still expected the Springbok to have found a way through more often than the few times they did. All those penalties they conceded did seem a bit harsh at times but credit to Sexton for slotting them. There's something about his goal kicking that always seems nervously off balance.
• reality

  9:03 PM 09/11/2014

  I'm no so sure about the tired South African idea. I suppose it could be the case, but at no point in the match did I think they looked tired or that Ireland looked fitter. I think the difference was that Ireland's defence was just really, really good and that the South Africans were a bit uninventive in their play.
• docrugby

  8:06 PM 09/11/2014

  Once the ball is over or on the line there is no offside line...and it was Sam Whitelock.
• docrugby

  7:58 PM 09/11/2014

  That is nonsense.I have disected the 2011 final to the nth degree and although the french surprised most people that day and the game was very close,there are no dubious decisions from Joubert that went in favour of The All Blacks.
  
• drg

  5:01 PM 09/11/2014

  Scotland: Brilliant result, glad for them, but I believe it was Chris Paterson that said something like they can't read into that result unless they back it up. I agree totally, I think Scotland need to put out a good show (regardless of the final result) in their next games, otherwise it'll again be that "we're nearly there" sort of tale. The big thing Scotland needs to do (Mr Obvious here) is hurry up. Players reach their peak and then decline somewhat, so Scotland cannot 'nearly be there' for 6-7 years, otherwise they'll be starting an entirely new team up again....anyway..
  
  Ireland - Unfortunately I haven't seen this game yet. You might be right about tired bodies, but I suppose credit to Ireland, they were facing a fairly well stocked SA team!
  
  England - Young team, lots of potential (heard this before). I don't know what can be said about them really. A good show, it may boost their confidence and produce results, but the big test next weekend will show whether they're capable of repeating their actions.
  
  Would have liked to see the Italy Samoa game.. not too bothered by the French game, purely because the French are infuriatingly impossible to pin down..
• rich_w

  5:01 PM 09/11/2014

  Hah, I'm adding that to my repertoire of comebacks, so true.
• 07015678

  3:17 PM 09/11/2014

  Scotsman here who really enjoyed the Argies game but not getting too exited as other home nations still seem to be ahead of us in terms of execution and organization.
  
  I wonder though, have we just seen pooped SH sides after a grueling Rugby Championship? I mean, Argentina were really poor and despite Ireland's eutrophic victory it seemed the Springbok had no teeth. The All Blacks were just the usual genius side that always seem to have the answers and I worry that English fans are a tad unrealistic about 'getting close'....?
• drg

  2:21 PM 09/11/2014

  *here
  
  ...and the rest of the spelling errors if there are any...
• drg

  2:20 PM 09/11/2014

  *doing well at supporting that stereotype...
• drg

  2:12 PM 09/11/2014

  Kind of like Hamilton haha.. but yes, I know what you mean.. Days of 'enforcers' on the rugby pitch are dwindling; what with TMO 'interference' (don't mean that negatively), touch judges, cameras everywhere... it's pointless to have a player that is on the pitch purely to hurt people.
  
  However, Hamilton is also not really an enforcer.. I mean it's not like he really does an awful lot other than give away needless daft penalties.. I mean Bakkies Botha is/was a bit of an 'enforcer', but at least he was somewhat clever about the way he went about it...
  
  Saying all that, I'm not sure I saw a replay of what JH did, so I can't say if it was a bit harsh or not...
• drg

  2:02 PM 09/11/2014

  I see you've been forced to answer a fair few people, so perhaps the above comment was not as concisely written as you'd like, but how can you say "England are worthy of respect again"... "again"????
  
  I'm not even a fan of them, but you sound like such a cock... For crying out loud, I respect f*****g Namibia's national rugby team, in fact - 2 secs - Greece, ranked 102 in the world according to the IRB rankings.. I respect them for having the balls to step on the rugby field, they don't have to play beautiful rugby or win anything in order to receive respect.
  
  In reality, what you're trying to say, is that any team that comes close to winning against the top team in the world deserves respect? I would love to see that attitude if/when the AB's fall from their throne. I doubt they'll ever fall far but if they do, dare I say you'll quickly start whistling a different tune!!! Either that or you'll be harping back to 'the good ol days when NZ beat everyone'.
  
  Ridiculous... buddy.
• drg

  1:55 PM 09/11/2014

  Oh hear we go again, that old chestnut:
  
  "respect the haka"...
  
  Pray tell dear Kiwi what is the correct position one should take when facing the haka?
  
  Should teams face up to the haka? Possibly a bit 'aggressive/offensive' maybe not.
  Should teams walk up to the haka? Definitely aggressive, definitely not.
  Should teams ignore the haka? Definitely offensive Mr Campese, so that's a no.
  Should teams pull their pants down and bend over to prepare for the inevitable pounding? Might be perceived as mooning....better not do that.
  Should teams just not come out onto the pitch and just let the AB's Haka on their own? Similar to ignoring it like Mr Campese... again probably a sign of disrespect...
  
  Should AB fans and Nonu, just shut up about the whole thing before they turn it into a mountain of problems which then results in the whole thing being banned? Yes, probably should.
  
  I'm afraid good sir, you're taking a rather idiotic viewpoint on this entire matter, for instance:
  - "predictable result" - Really? Last I heard, confidence for the English to win was sort of 'wing and a prayer' type of stuff. I doubt anyone predicted a 2 point win for NZ!
  - Again, your sweeping generalisations are ridiculous. Every media outlet in every country thrives on creating a shitstorm. I doubt the 'Kiwi' media is whiter than white. Out of interest though, what media in particular are you making reference to?
  
  As for McCaw...don't be a twit. I don't think a single person in the rugby world - fan or player, would suggest Richie McCaw is a bad player. I'm reluctant to say this, but, I doubt anyone in the world thinks he is a bad player. But you have to be wearing some seriously tinted shades to not see what he in the offside position. The fact he has become a master at it is a credit to him. I believe most games are won in the niggly areas, and he is a testament to the importance of skills in those areas! - But don't pretend he is a law book angel!
• drg

  1:39 PM 09/11/2014

  To be fair buddy; regardless of what you think about the English, (I'll continue your sweeping generalisations here) you're giving off the distinct impression that ALL New Zealanders will whine if they win and whine if they lose.
  
  I've heard New Zealanders have little sense of humour (I'm not saying I agree to this) but you're not supporting that stereotype either...
• vladimir

  1:32 PM 09/11/2014

  I agree with you. I would add:
  - I was completely with Care's speed delivery and his box kicking strategy when England was a man up. Was it game plan or was he in a turmoil? He should have been replaced much sooner as he had wandering on the pitch for quite a long time, spoiling the pack's work.
  - Apart from May's try, England's back were never that impressive. Eastmond tried hard be never was active in attack. Who was the other centre? I can't recall. The back three tried, each time alone, to break the line, without combining or changing their attacking lines. Farell did bring nothing to the attack. They were unidimensional, predictable and creatively very poor, thus the poor attacking game of England when it was clear they were here to move the ball around and not playing the typical forward-occupation-pressure-points-england-stereotypical game plan.
• colombes

  1:27 PM 09/11/2014

  Well, i thought these wonderful matches North vs South would attract much more intelligent arguments than pathetic and useless polemics.
  
  england-nz: actually, these all blacks are a little (not a big one) step ahead the others nations. they were able to vary their strategy in function of their yellow card and a terrible autumn meteo. despite a very good first quarter, england was too shy and too stereotypical in their approach.
  concerning the incidents, it was just little details. just a bit displeased by the twickenham weird booing during and after the game
  
  Ireland-SA was a great show. this irish team was unbelievably efficient in the rucks and manage to dominate the boks on their own forces. good signs for 2015
  
  France-Fidji was a boring game during 40 minutes until teddy thomas, spedding, fofana and lopez decided to accelerate and kill the match. this nagusa final run was a beauty.
  
  i've got to watch wales-australia italia, argies and scotland
• iluvyomumma

  12:48 PM 09/11/2014

  I'm not sure but you could be right. I'm good mates with another UK premiership ref (name drop) so will have to ask him. I'm watching it back now so will let you know my thoughts on that one when i get to it
  
  I've been in a situation playing before where we've been defending a maul which has gone over our own line but the guy at the back didn't realise. So I flew round the back and took the ball off him and legged it. The ref let me do it but then after the game came up to me and said he'd made a mistake and that the backfoot of the maul is still the offside line even when its over the try line so I should have been penalised for being offside!
• eyesack

  12:29 PM 09/11/2014

  I never knew the ruling until I heard the ref say that as soon as the ball is behind the goal line the ruck is over. This would give retalick free reign to pounce on it
• iluvyomumma

  12:06 PM 09/11/2014

  As for booing McCaw, i can only apologise for the idiots who were booing. The reality is Twickenham is very corporate these days and is just a chance for some d***head business men and women to show there face so they can go into the office in London on Monday and say "Look at me, I went to Twickers!!". So true rugby edicate is often missing as the true fans are often not the ones actually in the ground.
  
  And before you say I sound like an old git, i'm 26 and work with some of those idiots in London!!
  
  
• iluvyomumma

  12:00 PM 09/11/2014

  Looks like someone else was writing an essay at the same time as me!!
  
  I agree with 1,2,3 and 5.
  
  4. As for Retallick's try, I believe he can't get there legally without coming in at the side so it must be a penalty against surely?!
  
  6. Couldn't see but the replay i caught a glimpse of would suggest possibly.
  
  7. Couldn't tell need to see the game but possibly agree.
  
  
  
• iluvyomumma

  11:55 AM 09/11/2014

  Guys, the majority of this conversation is pretty pathetic. Can't you just leave it and be constructive?
  
  Haven't seen the other games yet but I was at the england v nz game (england supporter) and can 100% say the scoreline flattered england. NZ were absolutely exceptional the whole way because they created quick ball so often and England were incredibly slow during the phases. Jonny May's try was the one piece of play where an england back actually threatened the defence and he scored but only because of his own individual brilliance. The reality is that New Zealand were 15 points better than Engalnd and if it hadn't been for the rain would have showed it. England's line speed in Defence was also troubling. To stop NZ and SA you need to go and shut them down early. Part of the reason NZ are so good is because teams fear them (quite rightly) but if you go at them hard and apply pressure they are like anyone else in world sport and will not find it so easy as they won't have the time to be creative. Its simple.
  
  I'd like to now watch the game on TV to really see it but i can imagine it wasn't much of a spectacle. England looked very one dimensional. New Zealand don't run big ball carriers AT people to try and win the game that way by beating them physically, they do it to create space elsewhere by sucking people in and moving the ball away quickly. England seemed to just play 1 up rugby, perhaps they had to because the ball was so slow. But the ball was so slow because danny care chose not to release it and I'm not sure why. Thats something i'll have to watch on tv. Engalnd need to be better at working off the ball and playing smarter, most of the teams in international rugby do. They've got to realise that the aim of the game is not necessarily to breakthrough there and then but to allow someone else to do so with quicker ball on the other side of the field in a later phase.
  
  
• eyesack

  11:54 AM 09/11/2014

  Im glad to come away with the win against England. It wasnt a very convincing performance but we got the job done. This is how i saw the big calls in the game:
  1. Tough penalty on the 'late' tackle on Cruden
  2. Owens needed to go upstairs for Crudens try. I believe he had the ball on the line but my opinion doesnt count. The TMO with super slowmotion & other camera angles 'should' of got the correct call.
  3. As soft as Dane Coles kick was to get free the fact is he kicked. I cant see Owen having much choice but to yellow him.
  4. Brodie scored that try. The ball is stationary on the ground and he pounced on it with downward and forward pressure. To knock it on he would have to hit it completely horizontal or scoop it off the ground then drop it. I just cant understand how you can come down on a stationary ball from above and knock it on.
  5. When Sonny Bill was cut down just before the line an England player played the ball from an offside position. Owen was talking to the touch judge to find the infringing player but after 1x normal speed replay he just continued play. A player clearly committed a professional foul so you need to take the time to find their number and yellow. Owens took the time with Coles, needed to be consistant.
  6. It did look like Faumuina was short of the line but whos reffing the game here? I dont blame Owens for rechecking but i think it opens a discussion about the influence of game broadcasters who are not part of the setup or even neutral. Discussion for another day.
  7. Penalty try . what a joke. Correct me if im wrong but i thought the foul had to stop a probable try? the scrum was going sideways 5m from the tryline. plenty of what-ifs there.
  
  if you object let me know
• jimmy23

  9:44 AM 09/11/2014

  "I'm sick of how we are treated"
  
  Try being an England fan mate!
• fwenshy

  8:45 AM 09/11/2014

  Cruden's try was embarrassing for Owens. He should give England an apology.
• fwenshy

  8:39 AM 09/11/2014

  Whitelocks "try" wasn't a try as the video replay proved.......but do you know what the video also proved???? That Aaron Cruden's try was NOT a try but sadly Owens thought he was too good to use the video ref. Also what the video proved was that Hartley was only a split second late and wrapped his arms around in the tackle, and this penalty shouldn't have been given. And with England's missed opportunity in the first 10 mins NZ were lucky not to go in at half time 20-0 down.
  
  Also remember NZ have probably had that squad together for 40 tests. England's is pretty much a new team, this time next year NZ will be even older and teams will have worked them out even more......England will be stronger (we were missing 6-7 players) and will be more of a team. We showed that NZ are beatable and I'm confident we will get to the final next year on home soil and hopefully finish the job against NZ. And hopefully Slammin Sam will be as good as he has been at League.
  
  I just hope Owens doesn't ref any of our games as he's always biased against England. And I'm half Welsh and love Wales so I think i can say this from a neutral view.
• stroudos

  7:33 AM 09/11/2014

  Thought Nigel Owens had a shocker - Heresy!! How dare you question Nige's judgement. It is interesting though isn't it, how much narrower the ABs' margin of victory is when they're properly policed at the breakdown.
  
  Whitelocks try disallowed - clear knock on. Also, presumably I'm mistaken here, but I didn't see why that wouldn't have been a case of coming in from the side of the ruck anyway?
  
  the yellow carding of Coles - you think you should be allowed to kick another player, off-the-ball with very little provocation? Yellow card any day of the week. Like Nigel, I couldn't comprehend the TMO's reluctance to recommend yellow.
  
  the yellow card that wasn't given against England - when was that? I don't recall any yellow cardable offences by England...
  
  the "penalty try" that was given to England - so clearly the correct decision that it's hard to see Owens could have made any other decision.
  
  the penalty try that was not awarded to NZ - again I don't remember any potential penalty try for New Zealand. What would that have been for?
  
  I turned off before post-match interviews, but if what you say about the booing is correct, I would like to apologise on behalf of those pricks. Maybe Nigel Owens could have given them directions to the football stadium.
  
• stroudos

  7:18 AM 09/11/2014

  Offside Rich is undoubtedly an exceptional player, as he has proved consistently over a quite ridiculous number of games. He's also been very adept at adapting his game to suit new interpretations and tweaks in laws. I do think it is interesting though, that - in my impression at least - he seems to be getting penalised much more frequently than in the past. It looks to me like his invisibility cloak has finally lost its magic power. I mean he always used to commit the same offences at the breakdown, but he managed to do it so subtly and right at the cusp between what is acceptable versus something the ref deems to be worth pinging. Don't know if it's statistically true by the way, but my impression is he's getting penalised much more than he did before. Being Richie McCaw though, I have little doubt he'll tweak his methods a bit again so he'll give less away.
  
  
• stroudos

  7:05 AM 09/11/2014

  @MattyJ - that Oliver Brown piece is a masterclass in trolling isn't it? Although I do agree that the "blank incredulity" from the US basketball players is an excellent haka response.
  
• stroudos

  6:50 AM 09/11/2014

  Swing Low being sung at England rugby matches has always felt incongruous to me too, but it's one of those things that starts randomly and just gets adopted by everyone.
  
  Apparently the first appearance was nearly 30 years ago, when a young black winger scored a hat-trick of tries on his debut and a bunch of kids from his school celebrated each of his tries singing Swing Low - it was just something they did at their school. People nearby thought it sounded quite cool and joined in. By the time he scored his third, hundreds of people are joining in and it kicked on from there.
  
  Love it of loathe it, it does have a rousing effect - can send a shiver down your spine. Not that dissimilar to the haka in that respect.
• 12:38 AM 09/11/2014

  Agreed Hamilton reminds me of a tired old hockey goon who's beyond his effective days and tries to make up for it by being a bully
• 12:35 AM 09/11/2014

  No kiwi can ever complain about the ref after the 2011 rwc final. Ever
• 12:24 AM 09/11/2014

  Dude it is totally moany and whingy and all the attributes I despise. Of course it is just a response and it's ok. I think people should do what ever they want when the haka is happening. I loved the french challenge. I hated it when the IRB fined them. Ridiculaous. England look far better these past 3 years than they have in a long time. And because of that the games are more interesting. Not as beautiful as the SA vs AB games but as intense. England are worthy of respect again.
• reality

  12:22 AM 09/11/2014

  Hamilton is still there? I thought (and hoped) he was long gone. As you said, the only thing he was really good at was given away cheap penalties. Absolutely headless player. I'd say he turned off so many Scottish supporters. When you have a team that's valiant in defeat they're not difficult to support, but when you have a team who lose because their players are idiots who cough up ridiculous penalties it gets very difficult to continue supporting that team.
• reality

  12:13 AM 09/11/2014

  Kiwi, I share your feelings completely regarding the booing of McCaw in hi post-match interview; it's just not on at all.
  
  However, for someone complaining about English people whinging so much, either you're really good at being ironic or you're just being hypocritical.
• oldflyhalf

  11:50 PM 08/11/2014

  "Nigel Owens is an exceptional ref."
  ...agree, but, absolutely, not today. today he was a exceptional ...englishman, or the second "hooker" of the english team. sin for everything built so far in his career of ref.
  
• 11:46 PM 08/11/2014

  Richie McCaw is just the poster boy scapegoat that everyone likes to jump on the band wagon about. He tackles more, arrives to more breakdowns, lives on the fringes and therefore has more times when his judgement is deemed wrong, also he is in the best team in the world, due to this everything he does is super scrutinised and is more visible.
  
  Am I not allow to complain in a rugby forum where every week people bitch about bad reffing calls against them.(I think someone said last week Joubert was in awe of the ABs) of what I see as prejudice calls?
  
  I agree there is a place for quiet grace mate. But I'm sick of how we are treated and we are just supposed to suck it up and chill out because we won. It's ok for others to rip on us week in and week out. But the second we say something contrary we are the sore winners.
  
• mattyj

  11:35 PM 08/11/2014

  To most of us, it does seem to be quite moany but it's by the by. Forgive my ignorance bud, the details are sketchy to a non-Maori like me but you must surely understand my point that it's a response, not just total disrespect. And there's no need for us to whinge about Mccaw, since he got caught and gave away a few penalties in helpful locations! However. Irrelevant. It wasn't a close match in reality. The AB kicking was poor and the score doesn't reflect the game. Think there's lots of be done in the next year but Eng are on the right track for next year, considering the team isn't set and there's young blood being tested all the time, it will be close next year in the final!
• 11:31 PM 08/11/2014

  Agree but this seems to be the forum to whinge about the ref.
  
  Also read my post to 10stonenumber10. I don't care that they sing. But it does say something about respect. In contrast to their kickers etc. Personally I agree the ABs are so focused they block everything else out so they won't care either.
  
  Agree I hate it when NZ crowds boo a kicker from another team. It is the same disgusting behavior.
  
  And yes VERY arrogant. But I was angry writing that and couldn't help myself. Everything about watching the english coverage rubbed me the wrong way.
  
  I wouldn't call it a masterclass we made far too many errors. And were asleep for the first 10mins. But those 22 phases of ball were impressive.
  
  I'm not if the reffing progresses to where it seems to be heading.
• oldflyhalf

  11:23 PM 08/11/2014

  you are idiot, or "roast beef" ? ...the perfidious Albion is a true story. ...bleah !
  
  
• 11:22 PM 08/11/2014

  And I'm not moaning just venting it's completely different. Also "threatening death" has nothing to do with the haka. But far be it from me to educate you on my culture. I wouldn't want to be seen to be correcting your ignorant prejudiced views on it that you've probably come to after MUCH research and forethought.
• mattyj

  11:22 PM 08/11/2014

  On a note that's about the rugby more than KIG, Scotland had an IMMENSE 60 minutes! Absolutely flabbergasted that Jim Hamilton still gets a game, the only thing the man gives is penalties to the other side. 3 minutes of game time before being sinbinned! Surely a tired Richie Gray is preferable to a fresh Hamilton any day and anytime, especially now Gray's exploding out of his (rather large) shell. Hammie's been playing for Scotland for years so if he is actually doing something worthwhile (other than scrapping with opposition and turning up) someone tell me as I haven't seen it!
• jimmy23

  11:17 PM 08/11/2014

  *sigh here we go
  
  Yes I am to people who whine ignorantly.
  
  1. EVERYONE says "oh the ref was against us", such an overused expression. The All Blacks are not special in that way, nor any other team. Every team will have dodgy decisions made against them at some point, the refs are only human, get over it.
  2. Did you even read ANY of the English media? I guess not because they all basically praised the All Blacks for their performance, don't believe me? There's an article on stuff.co.nz that can show you what they said.
  3. It's laughable how people get so offended over the the crowd singing over the Haka. The team don't care, if anything it probably pumps them up! LOTS of people (especially Maoris) don't care and see it as a way of accepting a challenge. So why should you be all sensitive about it?
  4. Not the entire crowd booed when McCaw spoke. I will agree that those who did are idiots. However NZ crowds are hardly any better, just looks what happens when there's a kick from an away player.
  5. "Predictable result"
  How arrogant can you get? Talk about "attitude of the fans".
  
  The All Blacks played a masterclass of wet weather rugby, I'd say having all the possession and territory bar about 5 mins in the second half hardly constitutes as the advantage being against you.
  
  I'm thoroughly looking forward to the next encounter, whenever it may be.
• 11:16 PM 08/11/2014

  We do have a rich culture mate and only in a short time too. Whats english about swing low?
• 11:15 PM 08/11/2014

  MattyJ read my post to 10stonenumber10 I personally don't care don't think the ABs care.
  
• mattyj

  11:13 PM 08/11/2014

  Sorry Kiwidansallemand, disagree, love watching the AB's trounce poor sides, but you're the one moaning about how your team reacted and was treated when it was actually challenged.
  Regarding 'Swing Low' through the haka have a read of this, see what you think, http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/international/newzealand/11210139/All-Blacks-haka-is-for-all-its-vibrancy-as-a-spectacle-scarcely-more-than-a-circus-display-these-days.html there's legitimacy to the argument that a stadium of supporters can sing a song at the same time and as a response to the AB's threatening Maori death on their team, although I concur it makes it less of a spectacle from the sofa.
  End of the day pal, there's little need for the negativity you effuse here when in the end, the rugby will always do the talking and the reffing was the same for both sides. Nigel Owens is an exceptional ref. Nuff said.
• 11:00 PM 08/11/2014

  Predictably patronising are you english jimmy23???
  
• 10:56 PM 08/11/2014

  I don't think the AB's care what the English supporters do during the Haka. Personally I don't care. Although It does show how good England are at showing respect. It's funny for a country that will literally cue for a cue out of politeness.
  
  Did you see McCaw's face after the game. Same as always bruised swollen and purple. The guy puts his body on the line.
• jimmy23

  10:47 PM 08/11/2014

  *pats Kiwi In Germany on the head
  
  Ok mate, you've had your fun. Time for bed.
• 10stonenumber10

  10:46 PM 08/11/2014

  It is all turning a bit too 'football'. I would write something angry about the misuse and unacceptability of the term 'soccer', but that too would be slipping down that slope.
  
  Let NZ have their moment, and show respect for the haka. The crowd can sing whatever they want afterwards. Throwing petrol onto the McCaw flames, for a player that arguably receives more rough treatment and targeting than most, how is he still effective? Or is targeting one player undoing of the defence, leaving space for others to make use of?
• 10:45 PM 08/11/2014

  No the sad thing is I'm serious. Seriously fed up with the one eyed attitude of the english public/media/fans.
  
  Think I've swung to a new low.
  
  Now all I have to do is find a chariot to take me home.
  
• jimmy23

  10:41 PM 08/11/2014

  Is this the new troll of the page?
• 10:41 PM 08/11/2014

  Predictable "witty" response.
• drg

  10:38 PM 08/11/2014

  Yawn..
• 10:30 PM 08/11/2014

  you'll need it.
• 10:29 PM 08/11/2014

  Predictable terrible decisions against the ABs again.
  Predictable whinging about Richie McCaw.
  Predictable biased english commentating.
  Predictable result.
  
  I'm starting to understand why so many people dislike the english.
  
  Thought Nigel Owens had a shocker, Whitelocks try disallowed, the yellow carding of Coles, the yellow card that wasn't given against England, the "penalty try" that was given to England, the penalty try that was not awarded to NZ.
  
  Thought the booing of McCaw during his after match interview was disgusting. Thought the singing of the african american song swing low ironically laughable. That a country with so much history has no culture of their own to draw from.
  
  McCaw had an awesome game.
  NZ made too many errors.
  
  But based on all the advantage England had and all the mistakes we made, kicks we missed. I'm confident we'll be better next year.
  
  Good luck England.
• 10:16 PM 08/11/2014

  So who stood out?
• misterdavid

  10:07 PM 08/11/2014

  Ireland and Scotland stand out. Apparently.
• mastersa

  10:00 PM 08/11/2014

  Ireland and Scotland stand out.
• mastersa

  10:00 PM 08/11/2014

  Ireland and Scotland stand out.